Comments on: Have We “Polluted” Christianity with Conservatism (3) http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed Random thoughts of a worshiping cyclist Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:37:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Religion and Politics « Gary on Politics http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/comment-page-1/#comment-711 Religion and Politics « Gary on Politics Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:22:50 +0000 http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/#comment-711 [...] I post is mostly a matter of faith. I made that point on my other blog last week which prompted this line of [...] [...] I post is mostly a matter of faith. I made that point on my other blog last week which prompted this line of [...]

]]> By: Jordan Peacock http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/comment-page-1/#comment-703 Jordan Peacock Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:58:33 +0000 http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/#comment-703 You might enjoy this 3-part interview, too with Eugene McCarraher http://www.theotherjournal.com/article.php?id=927 You might enjoy this 3-part interview, too with Eugene McCarraher

http://www.theotherjournal.com/article.php?id=927

]]> By: Jordan Peacock http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/comment-page-1/#comment-701 Jordan Peacock Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:31:15 +0000 http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/#comment-701 On a more personal note, I support the government in everything *except* defense - I do not pay the % of taxes dedicated to murdering my brothers and sisters, and maintaining a culture of war. This is not to say that I agree with the remaining taxes, but it's just not a battle worth fighting at present. <a href="http://www.warresisters.org/node/321" target="_blank">http://www.warresisters.org/node/321</a> On a more personal note, I support the government in everything *except* defense – I do not pay the % of taxes dedicated to murdering my brothers and sisters, and maintaining a culture of war. This is not to say that I agree with the remaining taxes, but it's just not a battle worth fighting at present.

http://www.warresisters.org/node/321

]]> By: Jordan Peacock http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/comment-page-1/#comment-700 Jordan Peacock Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:26:55 +0000 http://trobee.com/blog/have-we-polluted-christianity-with-conservatism-3/#comment-700 ... This could easily be a book, so I'll just toss out a few initial notes and links to folks I feel explain or address things better than I could. Let things progress as they will from there... 1) Does the following: "In 2008, the defense budget was just over $481,000,000,000. This was a 60 percent increase over the 2001 budget "to ensure a high level of military readiness" for the war on terror. That number, by the way, not much under a half a trillion dollars, did not include an extra $150 billion to run the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the year. " count as 'defense' in your argument? (cf. <a href="http://www.truthout.org/us-military-budget56418)" target="_blank">http://www.truthout.org/us-military-budget56418)</a> 2) Regarding Caesar: "There is no room for separate spheres of “religious” and “political” in Jesus’ reply. As William Cavanaugh likes to say, scripture says “The earth is the LORD’s, and all that is in it.” If the whole earth belongs to God, then what does that leave for Caesar? The only thing Caesar gets is his own image thrown back in his face, the symbol of his non-reality that cannot stand up to the truth of God’s reign and the coming kingdom." <a href="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/09/give-what-to-caesar/" target="_blank">http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/09/give-what-t...</a> 3) Regarding Romans 12: <a href="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/americans-129-310/" target="_blank">http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/americans-1...</a> 4) Regarding Romans 13: Or to make my point more biblically clear – to hell with Romans 13 read out of context of Romans 12, the rest of Paul’s letter to the Romans, the life of Jesus, and the whole prophetic testimony of the Hebrew prophets. <a href="http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-romans-13/" target="_blank">http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-...</a> and "Be clear, any of those human arkys [governmental authorities] are where they are only because God is allowing them to be there. They exist only at his sufferance. And if God is willing to put up with a stinker like the Roman Empire, you ought to be willing to put up with it, too. There is no indication God has called you to clear it out of the way or get it converted for him. You can't fight the Roman Empire without becoming like the Roman Empire; so you had better leave such matters in Gods' hands where they belong" (Verner Eller in Christian Anarchy, p.11). Peace …

This could easily be a book, so I'll just toss out a few initial notes and links to folks I feel explain or address things better than I could. Let things progress as they will from there…

1) Does the following:

"In 2008, the defense budget was just over $481,000,000,000. This was a 60 percent increase over the 2001 budget "to ensure a high level of military readiness" for the war on terror. That number, by the way, not much under a half a trillion dollars, did not include an extra $150 billion to run the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the year. "

count as 'defense' in your argument? (cf. http://www.truthout.org/us-military-budget56418)

2) Regarding Caesar:

"There is no room for separate spheres of “religious” and “political” in Jesus’ reply. As William Cavanaugh likes to say, scripture says “The earth is the LORD’s, and all that is in it.” If the whole earth belongs to God, then what does that leave for Caesar? The only thing Caesar gets is his own image thrown back in his face, the symbol of his non-reality that cannot stand up to the truth of God’s reign and the coming kingdom."

http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/09/give-what-t…

3) Regarding Romans 12:

http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/americans-1…

4) Regarding Romans 13:

Or to make my point more biblically clear – to hell with Romans 13 read out of context of Romans 12, the rest of Paul’s letter to the Romans, the life of Jesus, and the whole prophetic testimony of the Hebrew prophets.

http://empireremixed.com/2008/02/14/to-hell-with-…

and

"Be clear, any of those human arkys [governmental authorities] are where they are only because God is allowing them to be there. They exist only at his sufferance. And if God is willing to put up with a stinker like the Roman Empire, you ought to be willing to put up with it, too. There is no indication God has called you to clear it out of the way or get it converted for him. You can't fight the Roman Empire without becoming like the Roman Empire; so you had better leave such matters in Gods' hands where they belong" (Verner Eller in Christian Anarchy, p.11).

Peace

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